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AVR forum - Is there need for a comprehensive RC servo tutorial?

buffi - Oct 27, 2008 - 08:10 PM
Post subject: Is there need for a comprehensive RC servo tutorial?

Questions about how to control RC servos with an AVR keep coming over and over, although there are many examples around showing how to do it. 

Do you think it's worth the effort to write a comprehensive RC servo tutorial including: 

- RC background 
- What is PPM? 
- And PCM? 
- What is a servo signal? 
- How to control *one* servo with a timer 
- How to generate a PPM signal 
- How to control *many* servos with a timer (using a ppm signal) 
- How to read a PPM signal 

I volunteer to write it if someone corrects my english...

Koshchi - Oct 27, 2008 - 09:56 PM
Post subject: RE: Is there need for a comprehensive RC servo tutorial?

Quote:
I volunteer to write it if someone corrects my english...

First correction, shouldn't PPM really be PWM (Pulse Width Modulation)?

buffi - Oct 27, 2008 - 10:00 PM
Post subject: RE: Is there need for a comprehensive RC servo tutorial?

No PPM is a modulation type used in old (and some new) RC systems and the reason why servo pulses look like they do.

clawson - Oct 27, 2008 - 10:00 PM
Post subject: RE: Is there need for a comprehensive RC servo tutorial?

PPM = Pulse Position Modulation 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulse-position_modulation 

Quote:
One common application with these channel characteristics is the radio control of model aircraft, boats and cars. PPM is employed in these systems, with the position of each pulse representing the angular position of an analogue control on the transmitter, or possible states of a binary switch. The number of pulses per frame gives the number of controllable channels available. The advantage of using PPM for this type of application is that the electronics required to decode the signal are extremely simple, which leads to small, light-weight receiver/decoder units. (Model aircraft require parts that are as lightweight as possible). Servos made for model radio control include some of the electronics required to convert the pulse to the motor position - the receiver is merely required to demultiplex the separate channels and feed the pulses to each servo.

Microsuffer - Oct 27, 2008 - 10:56 PM
Post subject: RE: Is there need for a comprehensive RC servo tutorial?

Sounds like a good idea. Like Steve, I was unaware of the shift from PWM to PPM. PM me with your e-mail and I'll be happy to assist with editing. If nothing else happens I'll learn a lot about R/C servos.

Koshchi - Oct 27, 2008 - 11:11 PM
Post subject: RE: Is there need for a comprehensive RC servo tutorial?

Except that for controlling servos with an AVR you don't use PPM. PPM is for controlling multiple servos using only one signal. The pulse's position determines which servo it is meant for. But it is the pulse width that determines the position of the servo. With an AVR you are directly controlling one servo per pin. For this case you only need to worry about the pulse width, not its position.

Jevin - Oct 28, 2008 - 01:08 AM
Post subject: RE: Is there need for a comprehensive RC servo tutorial?

Yes, I would love such a tutorial!

mckeemj - Oct 28, 2008 - 06:25 AM
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Sounds like a good idea; I'd also be happy to help with revisions. If the code can be made modular than it could prove to be a good resource when people ask for servo code, everything in one place. 

Martin Jay McKee

buffi - Oct 28, 2008 - 04:59 PM
Post subject:

OK then I think I'll start writing the first part this week. I will link to the new tutorial thread as soon as I start it and this one will then be closed. Until then, feel free to post here. 

I don't know how we'll manage grammar errors and typos, but I don't think PMs are a good idea...

Ale_BKK - Nov 17, 2008 - 05:09 AM
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buffi wrote:
OK then I think I'll start writing the first part this week. I will link to the new tutorial thread as soon as I start it and this one will then be closed. Until then, feel free to post here.

I don't know how we'll manage grammar errors and typos, but I don't think PMs are a good idea...


Any updates on this?, I was just about to (try to!) make a servo tester and a tutorial would be a good base from where to start.

buffi - Nov 17, 2008 - 06:21 AM
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Yes, there's an update: Microsuffer and me started working on it. Takes time though, so if you need to make your servo tester during the next 2 or 3 weeks, you'll need to search for old threads or ask for backup directly.

Ale_BKK - Nov 17, 2008 - 05:02 PM
Post subject:

buffi wrote:
Yes, there's an update: Microsuffer and me started working on it. Takes time though, so if you need to make your servo tester during the next 2 or 3 weeks, you'll need to search for old threads or ask for backup directly.


Great, I�ll be looking forward for that tutorial.

bobgardner - Nov 18, 2008 - 12:59 AM
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There is usually a compromise between range and resolution. If the servo rotates 180 degrees, maybe 128 positions (7 bits) is sufficient. The servos can travel 240 or 270 or 300 degrees might need 8 or 9 bits for fine steering etc. It might be neat/cool to have defines for 6,7 or 8 bit resolution (which defines the timer interrupt speed), 1,2 or 3 servo outs and which output pins they use, and in the compare interrupt handler set the pins as needed. This package could be a module in a bigger program, rather than a standalone servo controller that takes over the whole avr. With careful programming, we know an avr can drive 16 or 32 servos, but thats a dedicated program. This is just an idea from my head. I have written a one servo program and thought about an 8 servo program, but I didnt get too far on the second one.

zbaird - Nov 18, 2008 - 07:57 AM
Post subject:

I'd hope your tutorial would also explain the modified servos that can rotate 360 degrees, and how the various pulse widths are interpreted in them. Not that you need to include instructions for the modification (those are readily available). 

I'm glad you're working on it. When you post your tutorial please also post a note here so we will be aware that it is available.

buffi - Nov 18, 2008 - 06:02 PM
Post subject:

Driving more than one servo is indeed a challenge without external logic. That is the reason why my examples in the tutorial *will* include external logic (not a lot, though). It takes a lot of load off the cpu and solves critical timing/accuracy/resolution issues.

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