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Wiring a German electrical plug

How to wire plugs for household applicances

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sandra
My darling husband showed me how to wire a German plug before he abandoned me for an oil rig in Oklahoma.

Now I need to wire one but the cable I have has only two wires, blue and brown. Do I just wire them down to the prongs of the plug and ignore the middle bit?

He showed me on a three-wire cable and it was three weeks ago... my Alzheimers has kicked in and I can't remember!

Can anyone help?
Mickey
Hi Sandra,

just ignore the middle bit (earth = yellow and green coloured wire = missing) and stick blue wire into left side and brown wire into right side.

Not that the sides matter really ...works any which way you put it.

Good luck ...and remember ...women can do anything!
sandra
Yes! Mickey! We can! And having an absentee husband you have to cope with lots of "boy jobs" and I do so admirably usually though I just wanted to check in case these German plugs were different. I like to be sure with electricity! Thanks! Have a good weekend!
Rebecca
It doesn't really matter which side you put the blue and brown wires because you can always put the plug in upside down.

Two very useful things to have are:

  • a four way adapter with a German plug and English sockets
  • a four way adapter with an English plug and German sockets
Bunny
For wiring plugs, I always remember it like this:

BLue = Blue Left and BRown = Brown Right.

It helps me anyway and I'm all for anything that makes life easier.

Bunny
marfman
Hi everyone, 

I need to try and find a diagram of how to wire up a German-style plug. This is to aid some of our employees who will be traveling to Germany to carry out some portable appliance testing.

The idea is that they will come across some equipment using a standard three-pin british plug and adaptor, they will be required to changer these for German plugs.

I really apreciate your time on this.

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HEM
First of all one has to realise that the standard British 3-pin plug is superior to the std European one.

- British plug is fused with fuse matched to the device (or should be)
- German plugs contain no fuse
- British sockets are fairly safe - German ones kids can stick their fingers in & touch 220V.

Take a Uk family to Germany & within hours the kids have burns on end of fingers (have seen this)

Wiring a German plug is simple:

- The earth connection can be easily identified as its on outside (& double)
- There is no defference between live/neutral since the plug can be inserted either way - just attach.
Grinner
Utter Tosh.

We use the Delta system here and in the Uk its star.
We have only 110V to earth and 16amps (for Domestic services), in the UK its 240V and upto 32A (At least it was when I Studied it at College) (IEE Regs 16th Edition)

In the Uk it is Safer from the aspect of shoving fingers into sockets (but kids only do this once )
and in the Uk the appliance if Switched, should switch the Live.

As for wiring the plug... yeah you are right.
BadDoggie
- There is no defference between live/neutral since the plug can be inserted either way - just attach.
Not quite. The shuko plug can be polarised and is predominately so in Belgium. If you look at a grounded plug end you'll see a hole above the midpoint of the two terminals. There are pins in many sockets which force you to plug it in one way only. I believe the left is hot and the right neutral but I'm not positive. Germany doesn't require polarity because they don't loop their connections as in the UK. The US has mostly given up on polarity as well but one slot of an American socket is still bigger than the other since so many old devices had their plugs designed for it.

woof.
Grinner
I believe the left is hot and the right neutral but I'm not positive. woof.
Brilliant!
HEM
There used to be another "standard" at least in parts of UK.
Called "Wirelex" or similar - I recall seeing at my Grandmother's house
in Northen UK. In principle like the European one (can insert two ways)
and the live cables were not protected - but at least twice the diameter wrt 
European plugs.
Grinner
Wirelex is a brand name.

Also a design style... the voltage stayed the same.
HEM
Before your time 

I distinctly remember these DIFFERENT plugs/sockets. Not compatible with current UK.

For complete overview (& they dont mention wirelex - twas 45 years ago or so):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_so...ugs_.26_sockets
Grinner
Before your time
Certainly not.. I rewired many houses that still had the Wirelex outlet sockets fitted.
Often they had Leaded cables or even Mims... (Mineral insulated) 

FYI, you can still buy the old 5amp round pin plugs and sockets in the UK and in SA they still use the Round pin 15A plugs too..
Raffles
I think you will find it was WYLEX ... wirelex.

Some electrician.!!!

Johnny English
I enjoyed this little article about uk voltage fluctuations, although I think the guy might be a bit anal:

http://www.russandrews.com/article-4.-Volt...pgfrequency.htm

Voltage "spikes" cause me a wee problem 'cos they blow the electronics in some of the stuff I sell. Newer kist is being made to withstand 270 volts for this reason.

UK is officially supposed to be 230V now but we pretty much never bothered to actually change for cost reasons, so they just fiddle the readings instead and its still 240V in practise.
Crawlie
Man. You want to play with American plugs. You always get a nice little spark every time you plug an appliance in. Great fun. And the random power outages? Hilarious!
BananaJoe
wireless is safest !
YorkshireLad6
First of all one has to realise that the standard British 3-pin plug is superior to the std European one.
While the plug may be superior, the system is not. The Germans plant their safety in the distribution system, the Brits plant it in the plug. Touch any German livewire at the appliance, plug, socket or any cabling back to the distribution (think drilling holes in walls) and you'll trip the earth leakage current detection (a mandatory requirement in German domestic wiring) and isolate the supply in milliseconds to prevent or minimise injury from electrocution. On a UK system you would need to hold onto the live wire for a couple of minutes before the fuse finally blows (and then only if touching a livewire after the plug) and they'd need to step over your lifeless body to disconnect the appliance.
benpanter
[UK question] What is the situation if you have an RCB fitted in the consumer unit in the UK? I have been slowly replacing the ones that I have, in the belief that they are safer, but presumably I would need to fit one of these earth leakage detectors to be really safe? Or is it not worth worrying about?
YorkshireLad6
An RCB (Residual Current Breaker) is as good as the same as an ELCD (Earth Leakage Current Detector) in terms of providing safety.
benpanter
Great - thanks. I'll replace the remaining ones when I get home then.
profundo
I am about to install some lights. The wires are all kinds of rainbow colors, sometimes completely painted over and they are unrecognizable. From ALL my googling I can't find which is the POSITIVE and which is NEGATIVE. Most sites refer to something the UK calls 'Earth' which is apparently a term for positive and doesn't refer to the US 'Ground'? The US just uses positive and negative, with ground sometimes being there.

Here's my current situation.

Three wires= Red, grey, black.
Only two wires= Yellow/green and some dark color either brown or black.
A paired couple of wires that are painted over and a RED one loose.
Then my plug on the light says "L" and "N".

It's pretty clear that if two are paired, then the other is the ground. That would make the red one that. It's also pretty clear that if there are just two wires it's a no brainer. I'm going to give it a shot and use the RED as a GROUND and the other two, BLACK and GREY, as the positive and negative. Back in a few...
Darkknight
Sounds Odd, but OK... Hope you make it back in one piece..
profundo
It worked. 

I put Black into L and Grey into N. The red one I just left loose and not touching anything. So be careful americans! Red is not positive like in the states. It's just 'ground'.

Now if the lamp would just hang right.
Darkknight
Actually thats sounds like a special case.. Every light fixture I've wired up in germany for the last 12yrs has only had Brown,Blue,and Green.
I think your places wiring is either old, or totally screwed-up..
profundo
So 
brown = positive
blue = ground
green = negative
?
Darkknight
Green = Ground
Blue = Pos
Brown = Neg

But when wiring up lights, it usually doesn't matter which wire is neg and which is pos.. Look at a standard German wall plug. The 2 pins that stick out are Pos/Neg with the ground being the metal strips on the top/bottom that make contact with the matching pins in the socket.

How many ways can you plug this plug into the wall?... 2.. one way with the cord going down, and the other with the cord facing up.. depending
on how you plug the thing into the wall, the pos/neg are on both sides... Try it.. If it didn't work like this anything you plug in "The wrong way" wouldn't work, or would blow-up, but it doesn't does it? (OK, at least I hope it doesn't in you place) 
Just do't confuse the Ground wire for pos/neg.. or you will Deff. be in a world of hurt..

The only time this type of setup would work, is if the wall socket has a grounding ping sticking out of it. In which case the plug must be wired/pluged in the correct way or it won't fit or work in the socket. Have a look Here at the 2 types of german plugs. the 2nd one is made for the use of a socket grounding pin, which goes into the hole one the face of the plug
profundo
Thanks DK.
Just the red wire threw me. So far, nothing has blown up so I must have done something right.
YorkshireLad6
There's no such thing as positive and negative in the German wiring system. That second (and presumably still hanging) red wire is almost certainly a second live circuit for a second lamp or a two-stage light. It's highly unlikey to be an earth link ("ground") unless some amateur has been extending the circuit with the wrong colo(u)red wire. I sincerely hope you insulated it and isolated it from any metal fixture and did not leave it hanging around or you might be seeing star showers later this evening. Hope you have a foam-based fire extinguisher nearby and good smoke detectors for when when you are asleep.

If you don't understand electricity leave it to a professional.

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profundo
I didn't just leave it hanging there. Since the light switch has a double switch on it, I figured that it might be what you said, YL6. Besides, even when having a ground wire sticking out, I put one of those electrical hook up plastic jobbies on it so no wire is left exposed.

Leave it to a professional? When they charge for travel, parking, equipment, one time show up charge, telephone advice time, and hourly rate (around 40 euros/hour)? I would rather get shifty advice from the internet and blow a few fuses in the process.
YorkshireLad6
From ALL my googling I can't find which is the POSITIVE and which is NEGATIVE. Most sites refer to something the UK calls 'Earth' which is apparently a term for positive and doesn't refer to the US 'Ground'? The US just uses positive and negative, with ground sometimes being there.

I'm going to give it a shot and use the RED as a GROUND and the other two, BLACK and GREY, as the positive and negative. Back in a few...
I put Black into L and Grey into N. The red one I just left loose and not touching anything. So be careful americans! Red is not positive like in the states. It's just 'ground'.
So 
brown = positive
blue = ground
green = negative
?
If you don't understand electricity leave it to a professional.
Like I said.
Lives (yours, your family and your neighbo(u)rs) may depend on it
Darkknight
Or get a power tester, that will tell you which one is which.
YorkshireLad6
Not if you still believe in "positive" and "negative", not if you don't know how to use the tester, and not if you don't understand the basic principles. As there is a potential between ground (earth) and any live circuit (there are up to 3) that may mislead you to believe that the earth and one of the live wires is the pair you should use, which could be nasty.
hepcog
So, YL6 (and anyone else out there) you seem to know what you're talking about with wiring. I bought an IKEA ceiling fixture and when I took off the old fixture, I saw brown, blue and yellow/green. With my voltage tester, I learned that the brown is live and the other two are not. OK, I also learned from the internet that the yellow/green is an earth ground and the blue is the passive line or negative or whatever. Fine, I can work with this, but apparantly IKEA can't. The light (bought in Germany) has female connections and instructions regarding two wires, not three. Heck even the instructions are in black and white and don't make any reference to positive or negative.

Figure I'll ask the forum while trying to get an answer from IKEA.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Bill
gideon
The light (bought in Germany) has female connections and instructions regarding two wires, not three. Heck even the instructions are in black and white and don't make any reference to positive or negative.
then the earth is in this case redundant (ie the light is not considered dangerous enough from its constrution to require an earth). happens alot here, just tape the earth and forget about it. though ikea usualy also use different coloured wires, as a light is asimple circuit it doesnt realy matter which you connect to which.
Allershausen
There is no positive and negative. It doesn't matter which way you wire it up as long as you use the yellow/green one as the earth/ground. If the lamp only has two holes for the wires then it doesn't use the earth wire. Just put the brown wire in one hole and the blue one in the other. You should cover up the end of the earth wire with a bit of insulating tape just to be on the safe side.

EDIT: What Gideon said!
donal_elsted
My problem: I want to hang 2 ceiling lamps (IKEA) which have the typical British colours of brown, blue and yellow/white. according t the IKEA instructions, brown is live, blue is neutral and yellow/white is earth, just as it is in the UK.

However, in the same room, the wires hanging down are:

(1.) In one spot: brown, blue, black and grey

(2.) In another spot: brown, blue, black

Before anyone has a go at me, I have read all of the posts and, to be honest, I'm not any the wiser. In 1. I played around with the combinations and on or two occasions manged to blow the main fuse in the entire building (not sure what combination). Other combinations had no effect whatsoever.

In 2. got no luck with anything.

The building was built in the late 1960s, so imagine the wiring stems from then.

Any ideas?
SpiderPig
yep... get a trained Sparkie to fit them!

Electricity can be shocking if not handled right!
Gorgo
blue is alway neutral (or should be), brown is most likely live (but might be black or grey as well) and earth might not be connected. So you should test it (with one of those little screwdriver/voltage testers) before connecting, blue should be neutral so no power and then connect brown of your lamp to whatever wire is live.
If it's a ceiling lamp it should be safe without earth connected.

However, like said above, get a professional to fix it if you're not sure.
SpiderPig
The colour code MAY NOT be as stated above... 

General rule of thumb says its so... But dont forget we are in a land where they used to use the Red as an earth!

Many "cable clusters" in the ceiling recess may be the central point for distributing voltage to the various switches in the room!

Do not rely on a Neon screw driver... the Lamp may be faulty or been damaged therefore not giving you the true reading!
Gorgo
Do not rely on a Neon screw driver... the Lamp may be faulty or been damaged therefore not giving you the true reading!
that's why you test it first on a regular outlet, one pin should give you a light and the other won't.
YorkshireLad6
Your cables appear to be correctly coded to DIN VDE 0293-308. Blue is always neutral. Brown, black and grey are L1, L2 and L3 respectively. You appear to have multiple switched circuits at each point - at the former 3 circuits and at the latter 2 circuits.
jeremyhay
Gorgo:
"If it's a ceiling lamp it should be safe without earth connected".
Sorry, that is incorrect.
Ceiling lamps are either double insulated - double square symbol (no earth connection) - or not.
If not there is usually a lot of metal in them that just could
become live - that's why they should be earthed.

Normally a ceiling fitting with current leaking to its metal frame poses not a lot of risk -
but people do odd things! 
I can think of a number of scenarios where getting a shock from a ceiling lamp would be bad news.
In a dry room touching a live ceiling lamp whilst standing on a step ladder would probably 
only give you a "tingle" - particularly if you have rubber soled shoes.
(A very high resistance path to earth). Do not experiment!
But it really is not a good idea! 

Multimeters are now so cheap there is little point in not having one - in conjunction with neon screw driver
used properly then there is no excuse for doing anything silly.
And be aware of how neon screwdrivers work - and know why in some cases you can touch live with them and they
do not light up! (Bright sunlight and a very high resistance path through yourself cause this effect -
touching an earthed radiator with a free hand negates this).

Incidentally I find Germans in general are a bit cavalier about electricity - I know of three people
who were electrocuted, and I had a huge argument with a German acquaintance who tried to convince
me I was being over fussy in having an outside garden pond water pump and purifier wired up via a 
RCD. (Specified as needed - no wonder - by the manufacturers). 

And the 10 Amp lighting circuits! I had a short circuit in an antique type ceiling fitting - a big bang! 
(and if that had not been earthed..)
kato
Ceiling lamps are either double insulated - double square symbol (no earth connection) - or not.
Sure, but if they have to be earthed the frame will always provide for a place to screw the earth to.

Incidentally I find Germans in general are a bit cavalier about electricity - I know of three people
who were electrocuted
That might be because 230V/16A will rarely kill you unless you're doing dumb stuff like deliberately grounding yourself. Or at least it hasn't killed me yet

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ThomasSS
That might be because 230V/16A will rarely kill you unless you're doing dumb stuff like deliberately grounding yourself. Or at least it hasn't killed me yet.
230V and 16A is more that enough to do you in if it goes through you in the right, er, wrong manner. I certainly would not advocate poking around at live wires on a public forum, but if I did, I would advocate keeping on hand behind your back. Apparently, a current flow from one arm to the other is particularly likely to affect the heart.
YorkshireLad6
Gorgo:
"If it's a ceiling lamp it should be safe without earth connected".
Sorry, that is incorrect.
Ceiling lamps are either double insulated - double square symbol (no earth connection) - or not.
DIN VDE 0293 does not require a PE or PEN (earthing circuits) on lighting circuits if the lamp fittings are out of normal reach. However, if one has been provided it must be connected
abencutler
I would like to know how to wire a German Schuko Type F OUTLET. I have several German Kitchen Items and I can use my 220 Wiring in my Home here in Missouri.
YorkshireLad6
What is there to know? There are two "live" connections (left and right, usually marked "L" (or "P") and "N" - it doesn't matter which way round you connect these - and a centre earth.
oxymoron
I am also confused with these colored wires. In my living room there are three wires hanging out 1. red 2. grey 3. dark colored (brown or black).

So, which one is the ground? 

I tried connecting red and dark colored wire to the lamp but it did not work. Should I now try grey and dark colored?
SpiderPig
Red is the Groung/earth.. unless its a new build, when it could actually be the Switched wire..
Quato
I am also confused with these colored wires. In my living room there are three wires hanging out 1. red 2. grey 3. dark colored (brown or black). 

So, which one is the ground? 

I tried connecting red and dark colored wire to the lamp but it did not work. Should I now try grey and dark colored?
Sounds to me, like a very old installation (without Ground). Could it be that you have a double switch for the ceiling lamp? Was common in the 50s to have two steps of brightness simply by switching. That would mean, you have 2 switchable hot wires (the red and black) and 1 neutral (grey). But I would rather test it with a phase indicator before installing the lamp.
angel 2010
I have similar in my appt. as well. Leave the red one out.


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